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This program is brought to you each month by the University of Arizona's Alumni Association and this station. It's good to have you with us. I'm Jay Rocklin editor of the University of Arizona's alumni magazine. We're going to devote this program today to the question of minority hiring and affirmative action at the University of Arizona. Our guests today are the university's director of affirmative action. Dr. Jay Stiles, the President of the University of Arizona, Hispanic alumni, Fred Kosta, and the president of the university, black alumni. Dr. Gail Hopkins, good to have all of you with us. Thanks for joining us. Jay, I want to start with you today. The U of A has been in the news over the last week or two about this minority hiring practices. And frankly, the news hasn't been good. It's been bad. And the impression one gets us out the universities moving too slowly. What's the story?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=70.0,115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I've characterized those statistics as agonizingly slow but steady progress. There's two sides to that. One is the statistics are not good, especially for minority hiring. On the other hand, we have made some significant inroads for faculty hiring with women, professors, we still have a long way to go with senior women, those women are Associate Professor level. But the real problem is minority hiring for all factory levels. We've made some progress, I think, at the professional levels and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=116.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: some of our other the survey now is, in my own personal memory has been talking and talking a lot about minority hiring over the last five years, and really, very little progress has been made. And I understand we rank through it among the state three universities, why is the little progress been made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=152.0,166.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So a whole combination of factors, Jay, and these two gentlemen with us today can certainly add to this. One of them is that we've taken a while to get our affirmative action message across to the faculty who do the search committees, and also to get people behind the President's commitment, which I think has been very strong, the Provost commitment, which has been very strong. And certainly the message from the Board of Regents has been very strong. Some of the other factors are that we're in competition for a very fierce, very fierce competition for a other universities across the United States. For example, there might be a number of minority PhDs that come out in engineering, a half of those are perhaps more won't even go into academia. The other half then are competed against across the nation. And the University of Arizona may hire a very different kind of engineer than in a you are or ASU or even Berkeley,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=167.0,225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: as Fred for saying Frederick Frederick was the president of the Hispanic alumni at University of Arizona, he had been in close touch with this issue you meet with the President of the University. Is the commitment there that should be their university? Why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=226.0,237.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think that the commitment is there from the president who was there with the previous president? And with the present president","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=238.0,243.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: can what's your explanation about why the movement isn't there? If the commitment is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=244.0,247.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you're talking about an attitude you're talking about, about, you know, people in order for something to happen, they've got to want it to happen. You see, and I think that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=248.0,257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is the day that we're talking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=258.0,259.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: anyone that worked for the university, anyone that's involved can see from the you know, the the administrators on down to the Dean's on down to the to the professors, you know, you're not going to make something like this, you know, work because if people you know, you have the search committees and the search committees, they're real funny creatures. It's going to be drawn to itself. And what's going to happen probably is that is that people will see, let me back up. Sure. See, minorities do apply, okay. They do apply when they get the nerve to apply, but the system is such that others coats on unquote, because the the representation on the search committee is usually is really off balance. And the sensitivity for cultural for race is not there. Now we're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=260.0,307.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: working on that. As a matter of fact, one of the big issues this past year is getting diverse search committees. It's a double edged sword, because what happens is there aren't enough to start with to get them on enough minority individuals, women to get them on the search committees in the first place in the first place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=308.0,325.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But your liberty correct, that's fine. See, what you're saying is fine. But you know, it's very difficult. See, right now I'm working on the generation of my grandkids, I've been waiting through my generation and the parents generation is see, and I'm saying, hey, it's not fast enough for my grandkids come up in just another 15 years. I hope by that time, I'll be retired and have a lot more time to go camping in your office or other offices. But, you know, I think it has to be done. I think that that until you tie is an example that the President proposes everybody's a little better disposed, because if they don't, you have to attach you see some kind of some kind of a sanction. Because you see if the retention is not there, but you know, the recruitment retention of the students, and the recruitment and retention of the faculty, then that Dean and or whoever else is involved, they've got to be sanctioned some way. You see I work for a private for a private enterprise, you know, and there's only one thing there is success, my failure, and we'll put up affirmative action you see on It's okay, we can stretch or we can put it off it just there's ways","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=326.0,393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: on our scale, it's I imagined even tougher to recruit good blacks to Tucson for a whole lot of reasons. One reason being is that there really aren't a whole lot of black people to live in the Tucson area,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=394.0,403.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: whether there are, you know, in you know, I've been working with affirmative action policies in regards to affirmative actions for a long time, right. I feel very strongly that the state of Arizona sends us a very poor image, as it relates to black people coming to the University of Arizona Tucson or the you know, the neutral state. I don't feel that our recent deposed governor did very good duties in regards to hiring of blacks into three major institutions. But I've got concerns that, that we do have numbers in the blank culture that can come to the University of Arizona and contribute. My concern is really more basic than even Fred's is the idea that we can set up all those search committees that we desire, we can hire a lot of people to go about the business of selecting good professors. When you tell me that Tuskegee, Alcorn, North Carolina State, Howard and all these predominantly historical black colleges are not turning out that type of person that can come the University of Arizona and contribute professionally. At the rate that we are showing, then I say we've got a problem. Our problem is one in which I feel that although the Board of Regents has issued a proclamation regarding a deep concern with the university, Arizona's hiring, retention, and promotion of blacks on that campus, the President has made commitments, the provost, and they've made that since I've been here for the last six years. And even before when I went to school here, I see no, increase my fact the ones that we have had, have left the University of Arizona, and there's not even a an intention to really, in my opinion, replace them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=404.0,536.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I need a break right there for a little bit. We'll be back in just a moment on Arizona alumni forum and talk about the whole question of affirmative action. Please stay with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=537.0,557.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thanks for staying with us in Arizona alumni forum Jay Rocklin here with University of Arizona's Alumni Association, talking today with Jay stouts. The U of A's affirmative action officer Fred Akos, the President of the University of Arizona, Hispanic alumni. And Gail Hopkins, president of the university's black alumni Guild. Let me start with you about the whole idea of affirmative action say on campus, we've got five five finalists for an administrative job and committee selection process takes place it's safe given that it's a fair one, and the Hispanic candidate comes on number three, why can't a comes out number one, why should that Hispanic be given the nod over the number one white choice of the committee?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=558.0,595.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I really believe that that question is one that is hard to answer. I feel it from an election as well from a faction that has more in regards to put in making an applicant pool, okay, and a selection procedures and you got guidelines. And therefore if in fact we are underrepresented in any of these areas based upon either a selecting a device that is being used, or an applicant pool that has not the numbers that we represent True enough for parody. And we let in we want to throw around numbers all the time for parody if we are underrepresented in an area that we feel very strong about in regards to affirmative action. True, we should be doing some things that said, Yes, we leapfrog over this idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=596.0,648.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=649.0,649.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In fact, one of the things we really have to come to grips with is that the University of Arizona has really moved rapidly into this field of excellence and, and the idea that they're in the top 20 of the research and development funds, Gil, like you know this for quite some time. And that message has gotten across considerably. What we have in our guidelines is that the woman or minority candidate, once they're in that pool has to be substantially about the same in qualifications as the finalist. And if they are in were under underrepresented, then we choose the woman and minority candidate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=650.0,689.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let me ask you, Lincoln in a whole lot of jobs. In an ultimate sense, it really doesn't matter which of the top five persons gets the job. In most administrative positions, I think we can agree that's probably true. No, but my three year olds on the operating table. And I really want the guy that's holding the scalpel to be the number one candidate no matter what color, he is no hope that some affirmative action officer didn't make the University of Arizona who's holding choose the guy who's willing that scalpel be the number five candidate,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=690.0,716.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you have a J. The point is though, if all five of those people can do the job, if all five of them can be surgeons, then and then you're severely underrepresented. Then you do choose number five, the arguments that we get into though, from my perspective, for me, vaction officer with search committees is how do they tell the difference between one and three? How do they tell the difference between one and five. So I tried to get them to really come to grips with what is the real difference between one and three, or one and five, and it generally comes down to the school you went to who you studied with who you knew, you know, you're networking, and that's what we have to break through. I think we need to maintain excellence, we want to hire the very best women and minorities. But But we can also talk about if those individuals are in that final pool, you know, whether it's three people are five, then we can give the nod to a minority or woman if","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=717.0,766.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what we're saying is that we have not promoted or went out and actively sought out. If we are in trouble, well, then therefore we don't have like, what what what do we see as a product of your selection is not the ones that we're saying it's in the top three, meaning that we have not to actively put people into a position to be top three. So if we if our problem happens to be a commitment to upgrade, and to promote, and to retain minorities, and women on this campus, and we still show the selecting being some one outside of minorities, and women, therefore are recruiting and are actively going out and soliciting minorities and women for our positions at the University of Arizona is not very good. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=767.0,817.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And I couldn't agree with you more. That's an area we really need to work on. And I spent a lot of time that Gail with search committees saying that very same what you're saying that is you got to get beyond the old boy network. And you've got to network with minority organizations, and get those individuals that our friend,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=818.0,835.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know, we're sitting over here, and I'm kind of watching this because I'm enjoying it. Okay. See why this happened to see what when when you see networking, right? You see good old boy, good old gal is still networking, and it's gonna be at the expense of somebody else. Okay. You see where the whole idea of affirmative action started for women minorities, you're now having people that are pushing into positions of power into positions of authority. And now they're taking care of each other. Exactly. You see, when you start to look at and I've had this happen here in town and about three different agents are working with, you say, Hey, wait a minute for me to action goals. Let me see the recent hires. We've hired 15 white women. So we're meeting the goal. I said, Wait a minute. You know, let's talk about the whole the whole range, you see, but that's how they're getting around. It's an attitude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=836.0,886.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We're focused right now on women and minorities have goals in both areas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=887.0,889.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. But we also you know, and I feel perfectly justified in saying this, the original affirmative action targeted population had definite lease parity views in regards to parity and identification of those people. Only later, then we had other changes that were were made within the guidelines of affirmative action across the country. Yeah, no one can sit here and tell me that the University of Arizona is doing a good job from an affirmative action point of view as it relates to a protected class of people called Black. Nobody, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=890.0,927.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: know, I understand we we no one is going to try to say we haven't done as well as we can. And what I'm saying is we're, we really have increased our watchfulness, we really have moved in talk with a lot of search committees gotten across a very different kind of message. It's not good enough. It's not fast enough. I can't have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=928.0,946.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: any minority blacks if you had on your search committee in any area","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=947.0,952.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: across this year, I know that for the Black Studies directorship, which is one where we, you know, we've had good offers to black candidates for the last two years and come up try on that one. There's probably maybe two or three one of the, you know, not a large number. And one of the reasons is scale that, that there aren't a lot of black faculty to sit on those search committees. As you all know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=953.0,974.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: On that note, you've got to take a break again, right now, when we come back, I'd like to talk about some positive things the three of you are doing to try and set some of the things we've been talking about. Right. Please stay with us on Arizona alumni forum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=975.0,1004.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Back again on Arizona alumni forum talking about affirmative action and minority hiring practices at the University of Arizona with Jay Stiles on my far left the affirmative action officer at the university, Fred coaster, president of the Hispanic alumni and Gail Hopkins, President of the University of Arizona's black alumni. Fred was the university doing right. And what are you doing to help him out? Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1005.0,1024.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: think that one of the things that happened to us to the Hispanic alumni was about three years ago, you know, it Donner so wait a minute, you know, affirmative action, we have to initiate the affirmative action and we did we formed the club, we're committed to raising approximately $100,000 by 1991. We were scholarship not for the endowment right. So I see that after the endowment then we will be able to to then disperse the money accordingly. We have mo we advertise we we speak to still we have to increase the population. You know, our Hispanic So unfortunately, see the old wall around the university said something keep out. And many of them did not come here. Conversely, you see it as you enter you I mean, they were going up there it's a there's a story about malaria. So when they come they got the shades on their, on their cars when they dropped by, you know, by Tucson. They lower the shade see on the right side of the go up, and they got all kinds of ASU paraphernalia all over Nogales, on the way back from ASU. They're all the window on the left side but they don't want look at the UV. The messy was out there don't come we don't want you to see athletes recruitment or retention. You see coaching. You know, this year I have to give the coach to me. I mean, he really delivered I mean, he got Mike Flores who is out there. I mean, he's like a cockroach out there all over the place looking for that material. Our concern has been that, you know, we have material but no one has cared over an area of baseball. Jerry is trying he's got it. I think he's gonna get more Spanish surnamed Hispanics than he ever had before. Okay, but a lot of things aren't happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1025.0,1123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now. Gail, how about now you're the black black alumni. What are you doing positively to help the situation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1124.0,1127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the black alumni is actively involved with? I firmly believe this with the student aspect at the University of Arizona. We do have in my opinion, on our campus, a very conscientious and very committed Vice President and Doug Woodard. Doug Woodard has seen fit to get us involved with the active recruitment of blacks, students to the University of Arizona. We too have a matching endowment fund that the university will help if we raised the money to meet $5,000. And so, so I feel very strong that we've had several meetings with Dr. Witter Dr. Woodard has come off as being genuine. Dr. Word has come off as being concerned. Dr. Winters also has come off being out there by himself at times in regards to the active recruitment of minority students in particularly blacks. I am very pleased with our continuing role, working in the student aspect of things, but we're an external art intersection? Sure, meaning that, you know, we will meet once a month to discuss issues that concerns that particular class of people can call black. We all have jobs for us to meet when we can with the central administration to discuss our concerns, you know, it can it's a one shot two hour meeting. Sure. And and the follow up, what I say is being done has been mostly through the Vice President of Student Affairs, and I have got to say that I mean, he has shown strength under a barrage of attacks. And I know he's had attacks not from us, and not from Fred, but from the some of the inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1128.0,1245.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Jay, let me ask your guys like, friend Gail and your organization, are they helping you do your job or not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1246.0,1252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: absolutely critical. I think that if the community isn't involved in, in finding out what are the results, and basically keeping the pressure on the institution and individuals within the institution, making sure everyone is thinking about the community concerns, I think we we wouldn't be as far along as we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1253.0,1273.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We need to break one more time for it. We'll come back to you soon as we come in a sec. Back again on Arizona alumni forum in just a moment to talk about goals and the three sets of goals that these three men represent might not be run in target with each other. We'll talk about that in a minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1274.0,1304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This is the final segment of Arizona alumni forum. Thanks for staying with us this half hour. I'm Jay Rocklin with the University of Arizona's alumni office speaking today with Jay stouts, the U of A's affirmative action officer Frederick Kosta, president of Hispanic alumni on campus. And Gail Hopkins, president of the U of A black alumni. Well, I rudely cut you off red for this last break, we're getting into the whole idea of what the university is doing positively to help minority students sort of tune in and get in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1305.0,1330.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well gear was saying earlier about what's happened with Dr. Woodard See, I think you have to say that the availability of his whole staff, Dr. upali, the secretaries, I mean, you call and there's an issue. I mean, they're right there. They set up a loan for let's say, for books alone for a loan. They said there's no the bridge program they have during the summer of anomala. What's happening with kids instead of coming in cold turkey in September and being mauled. I mean, they take time during the summer to to to bridge in all of those factors, I think from the standpoint of, of the the student center, that they will have a drop in center, let's say for blacks, a drop in center for Hispanics a drop in center for Native Americans. And you have to have a place I've seen these drop of centers at Yale, and I've seen them at Harvard. And it worked quite well, they've not segregation is not separatism. It's a place for someone to come in to say and in jazz up, charged the batteries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1331.0,1381.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We need to sort of start wrapping things up. But I want to ask you, real briefly, if you could tell the University of Arizona, one thing that it could do now to make things better with respect to minority employment, especially what would that be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1382.0,1394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My one thing that I would do was take all central administrators and come over McHale, okay, and see what McHale is doing in regards to women's and minorities in position of directorship","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1395.0,1407.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: can add on the athletic department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1408.0,1409.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And I also would like to see the university understand that there are a tremendous amount of qualified professional black people that can direct a sociology department of psychology department, they we have people in science, when they tell me that there's no one out there, because I don't see anybody","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1410.0,1433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I can't buy Okay, Fred, how about you? You're his boss for a day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1434.0,1437.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: One thing I want to do is I'll tell you, right, what my goal is to make sure that I can raise the Hispanic student body count up at around 1000. Is it then they haven't have to listen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1438.0,1447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. So so you're looking at the future instead, right? I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1448.0,1449.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: looking at it right now. We're putting up with it. But to see one or two gales he Gail comes from mentioned Howard and some of the black university. We don't have those. No, you see, so there is a black thought we have to do it. The higher you get, you can do it, the easier. They are out there. We got ours too. Yes. And for the standpoint to see the messages coming out, we're not going to apply, because we don't trust her. That's also the message that's out there. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1450.0,1471.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so we've got to change that to Jay, how about you the university set goals over the years, some of them met, a whole lot of them haven't been met? What are today's goals? And what are you doing to ensure that they're going to be met?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1472.0,1481.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: One of the most important things I think is we're going to make a better use of mechanism that's been out there for quite some time target of opportunity hires. That means we're going to have some resources to put into areas where there's really very strong under representation and we're not going to advertise those jobs at all the regular way we're going to target more minorities or women for those areas. Another important thing we're going to do is start some ongoing continuous and comprehensive cultural awareness and gender bias. attitudinal change that was mentioned twice here both by Fred and Gail. Very important thing. The third area is that we're going to work toward expanding the accountability issue that's been brought up. earlier also, we've got some, we've got some language in our handbook for administrators for accountability for meeting for immediate action goals. We need to expand that to staff we need to expand it to faculty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905#t=1482.0,1541.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73606/file/159905/transcript/37801/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, thank you very much. fascinating discussion and lots more to talk about, but we're about out of time. Want to thank our guest today, Jay Stiles, PhD, affirmative action officer at the University of Arizona Frederick Kosta, President of the University of Arizona's Hispanic alumni. And Gail Hopkins, President of the University of Arizona's black alumni. What remind you to join us next week also, or not next week, next month on the next edition of Arizona alumni forum, a whole different program. It's going to be about the University of Arizona's department of heart. The only harp jazz program in the entire world exists at the University of Arizona. One more time, thanks for staying with us this half hour talking about a real important topic affirmative action at the University of Arizona. This program has been brought to you by the Arizona Alumni Association. I'm Jay Rocklin. 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