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But I also want to talk about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3.0,11.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what I'll find out what what it is you're trying to get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=12.0,17.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let me tell you the purpose first. What I'm doing, I'm working with American Pharaoh. And we're putting together a, an oral history project that we can deposit in the Arizona Historical Society. And then the other thing we wanted to do is use any of the interviews that we gathered this weekend to finish those interpretive signs. And, and then long term goal will be either to produce some kind of pamphlet for people, you know, a short history that goes along with the site, or some kind of short video","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=18.0,55.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: would think you could ask federal prison system, if they have any records of this camp, it must have, right, and photographs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=56.0,70.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: project reports, that sort of thing. I worked for a chef who used to be with the Indian service, who said one of the projects in Oklahoma, and maybe it was maybe in school. Anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=71.0,93.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I wrote my letter. And girls, they're just so appreciative. They could. So I just said, how much I enjoyed it inside or outside had this kind of treat. He was waiting in line to do business letters he ever got complaints. Find out was the time I was smoking on the Japanese was there. These guys came in half a year. And then he said are you here? You're the one that wrote me the letter and I said yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=94.0,155.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And he says Well, I want to thank you for the letter. And I got a complimentary letter and so on it and we had a little visit and then a week or two later I got another letter saying I've been thinking about meeting you and you and I'm curious now the situation is such that you could add another person to your staff I have some interest in baking and I don't have much experience so I'd like to learn how you can take that kind of interest like you said, Well unfortunately I just build my staff. So we don't have an opening but keeping in mind any contact get a situation where you're opening now we can take you in and so I went to about a month and a half but half of my time I had a shortage and it stayed too long. I got to the place where we make pies and huge amounts of bread. You know how they bred the yeast comes in a small package. We had one life one pot butter we just throw that in and the big one of these big iron and so I didn't I didn't even know that they had books, cooking books with baking recipes, you know for home use. And what I did first was reducing this one on size and making my brother starting to bake and she said You know, I, I try baking with having the bread tastes like yeast and a lot of strong flavor and yeast says I never get rid of it. I don't fix it here. It's the first time and so she started to really take over the big thing, you know, and go skiing and come home to hot rolls make just a fresh baking you know. So, that kind of experience I had with prison. This is in the, in the 40s, the prison record started sometime in the 70s in this camp, and they close the gap in the 30s depression, and it closed sometime in the 70s. And they reached the top. And somewhere along the middle of that experience, this this big BAKER He was Chief Baker handled that part of the cooking responsibilities then forgotten, you know, the main meal parts, the baking. Bread always, you know 200 People there just need fresh clothes all the time, just like a baking store. So and then making fake news and apple pie cakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=156.0,402.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's amazing. I wouldn't think that they would have such my spoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=403.0,406.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So yeah, he made it within the budget, you know, he's making those things and and so if there's a report, I can't even remember his name. But he would have been saying that he was there. I think 4243 44 someplace around there. The chef see if there's any report from Indian Indian Reservation experience, teaching, teaching and cooking. So that that was where he learned this book thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=407.0,453.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You know, I read an article that when he first arrived at the camp, that the Hopi, it was a we Indians that invited you to there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=454.0,464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They built a Ramada on the side of the hill. And I didn't know anything about that. I just knew that. There was there. There were some Navajos and other Indians were there for liquor violation selling the convenience of getting liquor from Indians. I don't know. Well, liquor, Indian Foreign allowed to have liquor. And so there's some way in which the natives were used. And sometimes the natives were exploiting the situation, sometimes they were victimized. And some of us caught in the web and had that kind of sense. But these are AP Indians were like these Japanese camping people. They said, Well, we know you guys are engaged in Eichmann's war, Europe and so on. We have no interest in fighting your war. If we have an independence back fight. We're we refuse to fight in here. And they flatly refuse. So they were a category of objectors that were sent to prison, and they were there. And they took a special interest in me when I arrived, because several of them driving in. I always stop and search look for identification because they thought they were Japanese. They looked at movies look at you know, compared to the Navajos, our bows taller, more angular, bigger nose, and so on the whole piece had an orient okayness structure They were mistaken. So they had some experience. So this group, and they noticed that our heritage country had a flag that was the sun. And they said, you know, that's our most important symbol. And so there's a lot of similarity, it's possible that our group might be the last tribe of Israel, some of our people left behind on the road through Bering Land Bridge to come to North America, what we're history, and we may have some relationship. And Henry, they took real warm interest and treated me up there gave me a hair wash with soap, wheat, or natural urine, and tea, they brought some tea to me and just treated me like a brother. I appreciate when I came down some of my university type conscientious objectors, to military. They, they would muttering under the words. What's the problem? Here you are, this is this is your third day here, your first week. And you're you were invited up there. We've been trying for a couple of months to get some kind of invitation. We're very sympathetic with word conscience, like to steal, we're very sympathetic with their position. And we've been trying to make a relationship and we couldn't get the first place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=465.0,725.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Students, right. These are Anglo students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=726.0,729.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, these were white American University. Grad boards, they want to have anything to do with the military objectives would have gone to civilian camps, they had worse content vectors. If they were called, if they were given that qualification, some of them weren't given that classification. They applied for status. But they got one A, or one A Oh. Not not military activities, working, working on supplies, or medical for something, but not handling. And then some of them, even though they got the vector classification, didn't want to spend their time manicuring mountains, more important things you could be building for peace and for humanity. So they left the AW. They just said, I'm going to go out and look for significance that I could serve. So I believe again, if you want me I'll be at this address. You can catch up with me at this address, and they left. Oh, they got caught up sentence or even camp without permission. So they got here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=730.0,847.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I'm curious about the resistance. Where did you get the idea? Is it something you did spontaneously? Or did you have some kind of model?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=848.0,857.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I didn't realize it at the time, but I was given a strong emphasis on peace. You know, to be a Christian, you're supposed to love your neighbor of yourself, and to do good, and to help the poor and that sort of thing in all the teachings of Jesus. My father was a very strong advocate of that. And he followed one of the early Japanese Christian leaders who also had a strong emphasis on peace in his message. And actually, when you get down to it, peace message and what Jesus was teaching if you interpret what he was doing, it overlaps a lot with his message. So I was getting all of this as I was growing up. So that when I was at university, and we got into meetings, interested in the piece that was very familiar to me. Though I was getting into Japanese language, but I became part of the university group that was forming as first objection to the military.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=858.0,944.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Was this before or after the bombing of Pearl Harbor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=945.0,949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Before before, and so it continued. And we used to invite different individuals that were of interest to us, and we had something to contribute to our program. So we invite them to discuss things with us. Sometimes they came and gave us a short presentation. Sometimes they came over and after a brief comments, what what's on your mind, what questions you have. And so I got into a discussion among those who were invited to pick her back, and emphasis on these very strong Quakers. And so when they came in, we found interest in what they were saying. And so what we did was to whoever came, we went to visit some of their activities, speakers activities, there, to the can't think of a group, linguistic group that are very they don't follow all the religious rules, per se, but they're trying to get the spirit. And this group had a, he was a certain feature of this group. And I'd like we'd liked what he said. When, when the Quakers came, we looked up their meeting and sat in on their meetings, and you bet, and somebody else came from a university temple that was the Methodist church, they had a very good music program, choir and organist and so on. And my mate and I were very interested in music. So we attended that service a lot. But we found ourselves going back to the Quakers very frequently, and eventually it became different among all the others, we would see others occasionally, but we became regular members of the Quakers. And eventually as we thought about membership, we asked what's required in membership and so on. And so we got into discussion and, and we found out they want to find out their country. And was that the object? Was that the objective of our religion? Or was there something else? We said, We are. We're interested in the Quakers were conscientious objectors. But we're not. We're not following and this is just what we are. And we, we express it from some other beliefs that lead us to this. And they said, Well, what are the leaves? Well, we, we like to interpret what he says and does. is very much like someone who objects to war. So following his principles come out behaving. And so they were glad to hear that they wanted to find out that we were in just being objectives, or that we believe in something other, which comes as one of the results being for non violence and for peace, things like that, that's, that's the letter. And so that period, or meetings of the state, eventually, they welcomed us membership. So that's the first time my parents heard of the Quakers. They didn't read the English so very much. So they didn't run it. And there weren't very many. There's, there's another Japanese language of America, there is a Quaker group in Japan. But that's, that's as far as it goes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=950.0,1286.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So where were you when you heard about Pearl Harbor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1287.0,1290.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, school current event comes out and hit effect that noticed how newspapers, radios at the time, before television was believed. Almost perspective, excitement, sticky and so on, and if you're going to be in a war, or preparing for a good, how could somebody sneak in like that? What you're watching. And if you're watching strategy, that's cool. I'm not for them and not for war. But you can't just you can't just say we love some of this because they're sneaky. You weren't doing your stuff. And so and the worst possible scenario, or war was taking place. You know, my heritage country finding my new any one country. I couldn't picture or scenario for me. And then on the West Coast. immigrants who came to North America came with a lot of invitation support to settle in if you settle and settle in this land and develop it over five years, you get this whole block? Well, from Asia, people came coming across Pacific beggar, they had a work permit with permission to work, which said specifically not eligible for naturalization. So well, they didn't come to become citizens. So that didn't bother them. But in due course, they didn't feel that it was fair. They were the only ones that couldn't be the Chinese, other Asians are the only ones not eligible for citizenship while paying taxes on them. So I grew up in the midst of discrimination and injustice, violations of what what I believe to have been the Bill of Rights those things when people will sit down, you could subscribe to this and run into this every day and not have had some problems with that. I should know I had problems that I didn't know how we can overcome that. Other people are being discriminated they because they don't have the power. To Japanese, Chinese workers didn't have power either. And it was not fair. But I still believe the Constitution was a good thing. I thought there was a wonderful concept and I was all for it. And I grew up to be a good applicant of it live those principles and discriminatory rule these came for person to get these answers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1291.0,1533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It didn't require anything that would be my behavior. If a certain tasks I have to follow these people through these hoops. If I'm not of Japanese ancestry, I could ignore those restrictions. Well, I tended to obey the curfew restrictions then something would have been patching back from the library, my dorm mates, I was the only person with Japanese ancestry in the dormitory at that time. So we had about 15 people. Most Americans, Canada, outside of Seattle, living there, but the school and myself so all of them became my timekeeper. became prime minister a VPN was the fact that my stuff and dash back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1534.0,1616.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in a helpful way","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1617.0,1619.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they they were helping me so I'll get arrested. And I did it because I'm taught to obey the laws don't break the laws be law abiding, and not looking at critically at the injustice of the law. But in university, we're looking at things like that. And I'm finding it's bothering me, but I'm still waiting for that one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1620.0,1655.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Dashing back. And the question comes up all the while. I have my dashing back. And I don't make too. And when I have to look at it it's something that makes sense. But I've never looked at it that way before I'm disobeying the law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1656.0,1695.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Because I can talk to that school. So I said I didn't even have to answer that question. Just stopping the face neck. And blocking might not covered with other things. I can accept that I want to be a second class. citizen, I want to be a good I want to be a first class citizen. I tend to follow this rule to do it. Those sentences, let back equals three and after eight nouns, as well as 10 upgrade for you to come here to hear the word Soto so I add to their credit, nobody turned me. So all through until the uprooting order came. I not just on the campus, nobody and even the police were paying attention. If I were downtown at the International section. They'll say hey, I need to get your Japanese. You're not supposed to be out. And if they're friendly, they'll go in there or I'll have to arrest you. If they're not friendly, though. Pick me up. Spin this short Tim's but you until the uprooting regulation came in and I was helping. I was helping people. They said, there was a family there that needs help. packing away, mothers closing the house, and a bunch of elementary school kids and go and help them. Go out there, another helper. And the husband was picked up, granted report. He was one of the leaders. So it was good. And so she had to do what she could. And the kids all were carrying small little bags, and picked them up in the car that was donated to these things to pick up. And they go to the Western Washington fairgrounds. 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And Portland people, all larger city. They all went to Western Washington at the farmers valley of Tennessee, Seattle. We're all picked up and sent training to a special camp that was set up near Fresno, California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1877.0,1919.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My mother used to write shorter poems, boys. And they hit poor asphalt as of course, pretense. That's all you can hardly walk up. And they put cuts on it and it was seen great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1920.0,1943.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And sometimes we would wet the papers is people's wet wet springs, and we lie down on the asphalt underneath that to get a little bit different things. It wasn't really that they did whatever they could to try to mitigate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1944.0,1971.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Central California in the summer. And she, she told me other day when I told her that. I like to like to be with the people believe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1972.0,1994.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what they're doing. Here's the reason. They're not putting us in because they got evidence that we're dangerous or involved in several times or espionage. They're just doing this because of our answers. That's where they're not moving us. Even even the German Indians don't have to move. It's just the Japanese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=1995.0,2024.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What did she said?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2025.0,2026.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: She said, Well, that's wrong. That's wrong. It's unjust. Regardless of that, I don't want our family to split. If we get separated now, we may never get together again. She had were using old mothers complaints. So said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2027.0,2055.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: forget that there's a lot of unjust things in this country. They don't hire Japanese as engineers. They will hire teachers. At that time. No teachers knows no oversight support, civil service. So a lot of injustice is going on. So we have to solve it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2056.0,2084.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In due course, we can change some of those things right now. Let's just keep the family together. And eventually she bringing me with tears, saying, whether it's right or wrong,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2085.0,2110.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: let's separate. They could, they could do anything to keep us together, keep us from getting together if they wish, you do something like this against the No, put your way so you will never see you again. And in fact, she wasn't sure that I wouldn't face the firing squad or something. I couldn't guarantee that I wouldn't get there. So it was I, I didn't realize it, but I was carrying kind of a guilt feeling for refusing my mother when she begged me. And it wasn't until she wrote me a letter after she moved from that temporary camp near Fresno to move up to northern California to the lake. Just south of Oregon boundary, apparently was a former like she found in the sand, a lot of little towels that she started to kind of a movement for people to collect those washing. And then they made brooches, necklaces, and so on out of that painting, different colors, and so on and using mood to make different art objects. And the men would go out and look procedure brush so on and polish those into our updates. So they were doing things to beautify and tried to keep their sense of, you know, nice things in life. And she said we've just walked in. And we've been here a week now. But we when we first arrived, and we're unpacking our things, the whole family was in one door knock, somebody knocked on the door. So she opened it. Two ladies were the first ones have been kept. They came with us closed up fishermen located in Los Angeles harbor because of naval ships were weak in that area. They got rid of all the Japanese, and they were the first ones. And she said she told them we were here. We've been here now for more than half a year. And now they're developing this perception where they put up we heard that parents guidance fighting in Seattle jail. They're arriving today. So we we came out to see well. And to say thank you for your son. And mom said I got a big lift out of that visit. Suddenly, the weight I was carrying guilt feeling I was carrying disappeared. I didn't know I was carrying it. But I knew that if I were standing next to her these ladies I couldn't have given her the same lift you gave her so she was she appreciated that whether I was gonna succeed in doing anything is for naught. She was proud of the fact that I can take a stand like that in a time like that. Even when she begged shed tears and so on. And so, and I couldn't I couldn't guarantee that nothing would happen because many of those fears were possible. So And at that time, the leadership, you see, with the Japanese community had the immigrants who were, you know, 4050 in that age level, had established themselves to some extent so that the kids were, you know, teenagers or in the 20s, very few in the 30s. And they had no economic power. And in fact, a lot of the leaders of the Japanese, my parents","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2111.0,2444.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: didn't know whether they could trust us, because we were talking about democracy. They didn't, they didn't understand all that. Also, we didn't, we didn't express appropriate respect for the overage, we didn't know that matters, get nice to Helders. So on, some of it is good conduct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2445.0,2475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But we just randomly rapidly followed democracy in de luces form. And so they didn't trust us. So they didn't pass on leadership responsibilities, train us to be community leaders. And they were holding the fort. But then now, they're, some of them were held in internment camp separately. In other cases, they were looked at as enemy aliens. And, and so we are superior and status. We were citizens, you know, we kept like aliens in Ghana. And so the young leaders who took over took the position. The position that time like this, we should, we should do what the government wants and show them we're cooperating. We're not going government actions. And offshore citizenship that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2476.0,2567.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So what kind of resistance did you get from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2568.0,2571.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, they, these people, if I went to them, and said, This is what I'm planning to do, they would have pazza. And I wouldn't have been able to resist them strongly. Because it was true. I was just the university student, I didn't have experience. And I was not even dry behind the years, as they were, they would have said, and I'm just making it hard on the rest of the backlash, and that sort of thing. And all of that it, what were possibilities. So I wouldn't, and I wouldn't have gotten any moral support, because they decided the best thing to do under these circumstances was to follow the code and in some respects, almost approve of what they're doing. I mean, they didn't approve it in that fashion, but they're not objective. So I I couldn't I couldn't do that. So So I know that they wouldn't be trusted me. And they wouldn't go after me. If they could. They were all gone. And I didn't seek their advice because I didn't follow their principles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2572.0,2666.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How did you know to go to the FBI? And that's really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2667.0,2671.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, well, when the witness curfew love just making an individual decision, but when it became a certain deadline, all the deputies are gone. What am I doing around so if I said at the university YMCA beyond that point after, though it could be accused, harboring all by later or described in the most sinister ways, potential spy or, you know, whatever they want to say. And I didn't want to wait to be accused. I think rather than have them be embarrassed. I caught up with my clicker last year we probably go to the FBI, myself and saying I can't abide by your regulation. I don't think it's fair. And I love Japanese ancestry, but ancestry is not a crime. And if you want to accuse me of something, go ahead, try to defend myself. Left it like that. And they, they thought, well, we scared this guy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2672.0,2776.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you violated these habit, US laws already. pedalos in jail for a long time. We're afraid of that. Anyway, so they didn't succeed. And I didn't get very far. But I did. Come from the regulations, or the rules for the way in which they were doing this. Doing the wartime and I have to change that. This time, I was able to say certain things straight out and take the consequence. And then the court case started and I didn't get the first base war. I lost everything. And every level, even the Supreme Court, I thought, when I got to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court Justice was primary reason for their existence is to defend the Constitution of the day. Could they accuse me by standing up to it? But during the war, objectivity goes out the window. And the judge even said, Well, you know, we lose the war. What good is civil rights? What good is our constitution? So we get along? Well, so I didn't have much hope, getting rid of that, but at least we've got that record. And it was about 40 years after the war. Before I got a hearing, and by that time, the climate had changed. And we're using the government's own files that FBI and others said is not necessary if they get that information. So we had our rehearsal time we use the little different techniques to kind of do the same thing. Or writes for ourselves","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2777.0,2949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: by proving our loyalty","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2950.0,2952.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. So he was, I never battled, I didn't waste my energy. Right now the so called conscious people objecting and trying to grab people while they're held up or held up. All that sort of thing. It's unfortunate, that leadership took that kind of position, but they did. And right now, six years later, I don't waste my energy. Arguing they should apologize for that, if they don't want that, that's fine. Let's go on with it. And that they're spending a lot of energy instead of worrying about what the next steps we ought to be taken. By the question, I apologize. Why? Why can't you apologize? That kind of you know, it's useless right now. So anyway, that was a diversion that went into, those are some of the reasons I that led me to do what I did. Not always knowing what I'm doing is going to result in success. I had to be true to myself. There's one thing that emerged that helped me a lot. If I could develop a situation confronting something's a problem. If I could find out something on which I could stay. Yes. Yes, I believe in this, doing it for this. And I can be positive. That's what I look for. Because I knew that if I kept saying no, psychologically, it would be negative. So I finally got four of the Constitution says, what your law says, violates the Constitution guarantees. So therefore, I'm opposed to that. And I can support it. Because Because first of all, I'm for the Constitution. And possibly, in that, I can't do this. Because for this, therefore, this up, did I say no. Or that's, that's the reason why I've just been objective. I believe first, and therefore it forces me to say no, to things that I think. So that that's, that's saying something very simply that I suppose was there for me to figure it out right away. But it took me a long time to come to that. The reflection of what I'm really struggling through in some effort, I found the East spine problems a lot by finding what what can we say? Yes. Therefore, it seems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=2953.0,3187.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So after the Supreme Court decision was made, is that then when you came down here, down to Tucson,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3188.0,3195.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: or was that Yeah, after the Supreme Court failed to overturn the government? They say, Well, you lost your appeal. So now you got to serve. But you can't go back. The road can't be responsible, because it's restricted area, western state of Oregon and Washington, all of the state of California, in southern Arizona. So that was restricted. So rich people, and so on. But I've said he offered to get a lot longer sentence in order that I could be sent out to a rock. City. So what well, that's too bad. You mean, you mean, I have to serve this longer time that I offered to go outside, even though I'm too slow. That's, that's the new sentence. So you got to do the sentence. One way or the other. I have no authority to change that. That's true. So what I can take over the one in Tucson, Arizona. Well, that's 60 miles away. We don't have the money to send you there. There's no travel budget. I travel category What if I go I'll even write a letter for somebody interferes shown the letter that authorize mission","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3196.0,3319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Chris and they weren't afraid you're gonna disappear","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3320.0,3324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well I've been out working on the project in Spokane location by that time they were anybody that could get a job can get housing they can come out so I was facilitating and business groups investing water softener these are the kinds of work programs to see if they're looking for reliable experience workers these days helping to get get so so the you know, I'm trying to keep from being a situation where I often serve longer to do it outside and having to spend the money inside. So I sit on my own house thinking hitchhiking the way it was before the gas rush. And found out hip hop on the west coast where there's a lot more traffic on this travels at ease, and I found Spokane to sugar beet farms, Snake River Valley where my parents were out working and they stayed out working for the farmer getting the next crop ready saw instead of returning he stayed up and spraying my mother and my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3325.0,3452.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: sister and my brother they came out and I said district attorney's office I have authorized this person to work his way down to Tucson Arizona. Where even though turns out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3453.0,3505.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they use nobody has. It took me a long time. It took me two weeks to get get this sewing city. Harder of that time I spent with my parents should be fun right was terrible. But one guy that gave me a ride was a sheriff. And he's Where are you going? This is what I'm going down about 40 miles","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3506.0,3538.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, you don't mind separator as far as your coffee services he almost went off the rails. Where are you going? I said oh, don't worry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3539.0,3565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I've got a letter here, authorizing. Get there. And so he stopped me but I guess he took me there. And then I got to spar Las Vegas. And I couldn't even sleep out anymore. Because I didn't know were there saying Seven other things. A lot of animals. I'm not familiar with crawling around,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=3566.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: going from Washington to this pretty different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: I slept a couple of nights on jail. ditches. So because it's summer was August and finally got beginnings. And it was real when I showed up at the marshal's office, showed him the letter in my head a relatively short sentence, what happens at spendid? Road? Well, they looked around for us as well, we don't have any papers here. You might as well turn around and go home. I said, Well, I'd gladly do that, too. You're going to find those papers sometimes that I have to interrupt what I'm doing to come back. So you better find it. And if you can't find it, after looking carefully, you can call the judge in Seattle, I gave the name and the District Court. The fellow that wrote this letter here, his letters, his phone and address are on the letterhead there. He was a district attorney in Spokane. And you could also call the US Bureau of Prisons and see it directly for me to service animals","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=60.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: in camp in Arizona then I shouldn't I shouldn't get on with it. And certainly. So he said, Well, okay. Well, I don't have to. It's into the latter part of the afternoon","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=61.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: is still hot water to go to air conditioned will be and then literally air conditioned restaurant and then come here and about seven o'clock. And we'll see what we have. When I came back, they said how we find your papers. Also, we had checked in the meantime with some of those sources you gave and we're ready. We're ready. We all reinforced information. And we've had a car here and one of the one of us subscribing over 30 miles of the cab. They took me over that night. And all this time I didn't realize two summers in the restricted area. 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And the bus took a good route up to Las Vegas. And then at Las Vegas. I got on the ground that went through Spokane. Valley, up to up through Salt Lake City. Then through sniggered valuable to Spokane. And so, I finished my sentence doing that, but I couldn't get in. And when I first came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=62.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: I said I don't want to keep you much longer. I really appreciate you talking. I had a question about the camp. I heard it was segregated. Everything that was segregated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=63.0,63.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: Well, yeah, I don't this was fairly liberal camp. People from the federal prison that El Paso they sent over some people with longer sentences, you know, more serious crime, but had proven themselves over five years, 10 years as a model prisoners. They were sent over, spend some of their time in a more relaxed and then many of the rest of us were some special prisoners of war type prisoners, political prisoners. In a sense, that's what I was a political prisoner. But they treated us like, Whoa, my hairs, you know, and they didn't make any difference. What kind of circumstance and we, we finally when I got there there were some segregation but not like in regular prisons, regular prisons, categorized and segregated on all kinds of grounds. It was ridiculous. I had run ins with them but they're the prisoners they treated me real with euros almost like special partly because I had gotten all the reinforcements, you know, from all kinds of sources and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=64.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: the natives who put put into one, you know, together in one section, not only them but others, like Mexican border jumpers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: We had a kind of a nickname. The boys used wet bags. And JW said Jehovah's Witnesses they claim to be in a Spears each of them really? Yeah. And, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: US prison service only recognize, you know, one minister for church or something, you know, not everybody. And they said, but we, our services are different. We all have the minister house, the house. And from their viewpoint there, they were doing ministry, but they didn't get it. And, and some of them were classified as conscientious objectors, which they weren't. Yeah, they weren't necessarily some of them were but many of them were just ministers, and they wanted the same class as ministers. 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One, the others came I guess they were treated as fact, they didn't know they thought they were treating really dangerous internationals because you know, Jeff Erickson's story indicates that they were chained, you know, just like Georgia chain game, and chain here, and then chain together about trucks and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=67.0,67.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: That's what's interesting is the difference between our experience and bears in the same place. 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They really created more than I really am Appreciate it, because I didn't understand all the privileges giving up their viewpoint. And since I left for Arizona, I didn't get the override. There's not a minute, there's already enough. How much I don't have any more. 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And alternative arrangements were unable to make because they didn't know about it. I'm surprised they were they were young. They were older ones there when they would be able to pass on. There's something like us, like me, I was in 2013. So they will be 90s or something. And now so well, let's get to short answer questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=70.0,70.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: That's fine. I don't want to keep you any longer. I appreciate you. Talking with me, if I have any other questions, any other short questions? 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If they talk, if they take time to explain the test, that's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,71.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: That's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,71.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: But aside, what you're doing now is very, I can understand, what are you doing for the university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,71.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: I'm a PhD student in history. I see. And I'm actually going to be writing a paper about the camp and using some of these interviews","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,71.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: you have, are you do you have the Masters already? 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I did a lot of research and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,71.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: they, they were the first FBI agents,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,71.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: and they use the court system. Why? A lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=72.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: They're powerful. They used you know, they, they had, you know, the jailers just use, you know, cut their pigtails that was interfering with their religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=73.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was a power thing. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. So that's where my interest started. Was was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=73.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: a topic for history. For my education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=73.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not entirely now. That's one of the reasons why I was doing this. Also. I done most of my research on citizenship and civil rights, things like that. So when Mary came here, sent a letter over to the university, I found out about it. So that's why I wanted to help her out with this. And just you guys Well, again, I appreciate it. I know that you're busy describing the town's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=73.0,73.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: didn't give me much chance to ask questions. Some of these could have been answered. Very specific. Yeah. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=74.0,73.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: some of the some of the great things that you talked about, I think, I was interested in what up? What they were objecting. I did some research on one gentleman who objected, well, he didn't object to the draft, per se. He objected to the idea that he was in the United States at all. He said that this was land that was stolen from him. So he denied that he was a US citizen. And they arrested him and sent him to prison for dodging craft. Yeah. It's interesting. He was about 86 years old. And they arrested him for dodging the draft. No, no, then Oh. So he would We've been trapped in anyway, it was yeah, it was just a power thing. So I started doing research on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=74.0,74.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: Yeah, I see. Yeah. Well citizenship oh my god, it's chill. Man do especially Chinese government. Chinese became eligible and 47. Eastern US. Yeah, I guess they were allies. And Japanese didn't get it till two. In Canada, they did the same thing as Americans, except they didn't have the resources. So they didn't build huge camps, right? You just put them into former sawmill towns or mining towns and develop some more huts, put them in there, just so that the mining towns you had several researchers come into life again for a while thinking something else would come in. They could get alive again and then fade out in British interior British Columbia. And then the sugar beet fields just like the Idaho Oregon sugar beet areas in southern Alberta. And in Winnipeg area, they had sugar beets. And some Japanese farms were established that way for people who wanted to live together or just sat there even if they weren't farmers. And they lived through some hardships, because the farmers work very well to do and they didn't have nice fancy chicken huts and so on. And then to clean out that was a startup and eventually eventually took over the products because at that time they were Dutch German Polish farmers and Scandinavians from Minnesota and then they would be drawn over to war industries and developing industrial jobs because they pick","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=75.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: especially during this time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=78.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:1: yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=78.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":", well this is after World War Two in the backyard where the farmers couldn't find your kids interested in to do the fire but they sold to steal they took over some suppliers and now we're going to the same thing with them. The only a few have succeeded that you know all of the benefits they left for the farm and the development machineries barns they build and so on. improved housing. Only those who remain picking over the farm can benefit and so they they do quite well. But like me i i got influenced prejudice by my mother towards army. She was she never like she was just captured one way because that's what she didn't like it wasn't much else. She did say that. She appreciated. Race raising children. She could never have raised children. And that's good atmosphere as as far as friends and relatives city. They were living close to the slides. It was difficult to wholesome activities with the kids We had so many wholesome activities, we did a lot of work to never to be a box to see what our result just because rejection to the farm Japanese grocery chain must be either made good money or they carried us, they had to carry us from spring, early spring, late winter, all the way to summer with the official posts with the property","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=78.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: maybe we pay something with some early activities. But it'd be right towards the August or something, we pay off all the debts. And then in September and October, we start borrowing fertilizer shops, with all the farmers, they need seeds and fertilizers and so on. To carry us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: carriers makes you wonder how they bought their their supplies. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: first, they carry it. They get the banks to help carry it and so on. But they made more money than the farmers. So they did better. Whether she had, she had abilities, if she lived in a different era, she would have been a writer, journalist, teacher, something, she had a bit of things. And she just passed all those off to us. None of which was easy for me. But she did say that she was into the environment. kids learned some good characters. And towards the end, she was she suffered a lot she died only 55 High blood pressure and cholesterol in all sorts. She had problems. She worked too hard. And she never went back to Japan because said allegations later on, we would have been able to have her go to visit some of the relatives. But she felt he was bringing gifts here. You know heavy, heavy goes. That kind of customer said it's just too expensive. We couldn't afford free shipping. And then the planes came in. We were getting to the place where she couldn't have done that. 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Over there, he did that sort of thing. Talked about what his son did, and so on. So when I went to jail, some kind of small time hero. How were you? Well, by the time I went, they had the court hearings, in 40 years after the war, where the climate's different judges and lawyers and so on the Civil Rights Movement has the Freedom of Information Act, they made department justice files available to us. And so, and I felt sorry for the government lawyers. They were comforted by the press, you know, how can you? How can you even oppose it? Yeah. And, and you might hear, just like the defense, you lied, or you held out information, so that the implications were that they were dangerous, but they weren't in, you know, how can you do this? I felt a little bit, I said, Gee, they had to take it easy, a little bit, because after all, it's my government. They're lawyers for my government, even though I'm opposing them. I felt sorry for that. And we had momentum, the media, judges, they were all wrong, you know, this turned around since the wartime. So it tells me that the people resist, you know, you get your chance to make some progress for human rights. Although that's always a battle. And it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=84.0,86.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: takes a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=87.0,86.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: That's right, you've got to have a long term perspective. And you can't conclude too soon, like, it's a waste of time, sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=87.0,86.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: Could you have imagined back then, that you'd be here today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=87.0,87.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:2: I had, I had the experiences of having something that when the state of Washington was having its 100th anniversary, since statehood 1889. So, in 1989, I was invited to participate in lectures on the development of this state of Washington, in one way or another, and there the history department, that was in charge of this program, was inviting special lectures to this some farming family, over you know, like in the name of this farmer, the wife and the kids donate some money and then when the mother died, the family donated more money and it became like Sarah and James Hamilton film foundation or something, and they had money for this sort of thing. So, I got one of the best invitations to come one week to lecture and the various classes given outstanding lecture or series, which was to be if, if it met the criteria of this professor. It would become a part of the anthology of the state time and eventually to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=88.0,89.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: what's the title anyway the develop the state remember the becoming a part of the national picture. And one of the chapters was a newspaper person who became outstanding newspaper writer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=90.0,89.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: He wrote the state the state in the eyes of the Capitol, you know, the other Washington. And he wrote about this whale farm state. And so they had this in mind became Chapter Two was growing up American in Washington, and some of the court experiences in there and other kinds of experiences during the raw historical period, and then hearing the rehearing 40 years after the war, or I had my sentence reversed. There's no way they could give me back my time, but that was at least objectives. Now it's so the citizenship, you still have to keep fighting it. Well, you can see how long it took for the women to get franchise over 100 years at the time. Well, even using the words they use it, the founding fathers if you didn't have the footnotes, you think they had them because the wording includes them. But they when they were using those words, they didn't include that. It was just mad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=90.0,91.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: It's just man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=92.0,91.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: Yeah. Yeah, we hold these truths to be self evident axiom that all things that all men I guess know, people create a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=92.0,91.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: Katie, Stan and the other said, Seneca Falls Abdon. And women,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=92.0,91.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: it's right to rewrite those things. But and then in terms of rights, periodically have to go over and mediate standards. Now. For example, the University of Alberta got women's status, you know, opened up so that then there weren't women in the upper ranks. And in Upper administrative polls, so those things took time. And then later we find it. They're all in, you know, they got people and all ranks, but they're all at the bottom of each rank. So all kinds of repeals came to correct, correct and implement the rights or, and we're still happy to watch those things. And other citizenship rights for a long time, the rights in the eyes of the people, even in the great, great statements of the founding fathers. They were just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=92.0,93.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:3: and just they're kind of That's right. For a while. It's just property owners. Yeah. Well, listen, I I've kept you for too long. I really appreciate this. It's been a pleasure meeting you well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717#t=94.0,96.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72847/file/158717/transcript/40722/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/040/722/original/azu_ms390_01_a.vtt?1669928246","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/040/722/original/azu_ms390_01_a.vtt?1669928246"}]}]}]}